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Embarrassed by Christians?

I do some work with Larkin Street Youth Services, a San Francisco-based youth ministry. Seven or eight Larkin Street kids came out to a game recently. One of them had a tattoo on her arm, and when she saw mine, she said, “Hey, what does that tattoo on your arm say?” I said, “It’s Latin. It says Solus Christus.” She asked me, “What does that mean?” And I said, “In Christ alone.”

“Oh,” she said. She sounded disappointed. But then she looked at me, and she asked, “Are you a Christian? Are you a Catholic?” And I said, “I’m neither.”

“Really?” she said. And I told her, “Well, if I have to side with one, it’s going to be Christianity. But I don’t know if there is a side.” I thought about what to say. Then I told her, “I’ll tell you this. I’m a follower of Jesus Christ. That’s what I do. But honestly? I disagree with some of the things that Christian people say they believe. Especially with the way they handle people at times. And I don’t necessarily agree with the Catholic Church. I don’t agree with some of their theological views, and I don’t agree with how they handle people at times either.”

She was still listening, so I said, “I’m not really either, I guess. I’m more Christian, if I had to choose, but this is such a long definition!” She laughed. And I finished, “So, all I can really say is that I’m a follower of Jesus Christ. I love Him! So I just try to follow in His footsteps and I try to do what He tells me to do. And I mess up a lot. But I’m not going to come across as holier-than-thou. You know?”

Actually, she was very accepting of that, which was pretty interesting. I’ve been told that some of the kids in Larkin Street have been kicked out of their homes. They came out about their sexuality, and their parents kicked them out. So when I told her I was a follower of Jesus, I thought she would have a lot of reservations about me. But she accepted me.

I didn’t assume she was gay. But I know that some of the kids who came to the game that day could have been gay. And they might have written me off, or maybe distrusted me, for being Christian. And I wanted to make sure they knew how I really felt. I wanted them to know how much I love them. I love those kids no matter what. I love that they dream. I love their dreams so much, because these kids are very motivated to become somebody. They were kicked out of their homes by their families. They didn’t have anywhere to go. They wound up on the streets, and they might have even been trafficked. Really bad things have happened to them.

With these kids, I didn’t want to say, “I’m a Christian,” because I didn’t want them to think that I’m judging them. All I wanted to do was express the love of Jesus.

It’s getting harder all the time to say, “I’m a Christian.” I’m not afraid to say I’m a Christian. Sometimes I’m embarrassed to say it! I’m embarrassed by how people view Christianity, as a judging faith. The way people view Christianity is not the way that sinners viewed Jesus. Sinners loved Jesus! They knew He loved them! And as much as it is possible, I want to be viewed like Jesus was viewed, as someone who loves people.

Do you think the Christian churches are doing enough to distinguish themselves from the Pharisees? More on this next time. See you Saturday.

29 thoughts on “Embarrassed by Christians?

  1. What you say here is extraordinary. You don’t want to tell the kids that you’re a Christian, because you want them to know that you love them. That’s just shocking.

    I know exactly what you mean. If I say, “I am a Christian,” then I can expect that people will see me as a hater. Or a scam artist. Or an ignoramus. If I want people to know that I love them and care about them, then I have to show it. Saying anything about Jesus just puts me in the red — damages my credibility before it’s even established! Once I establish a personality of acceptance and love, then I can talk about my faith, of course. But not in advance.

    It really makes me angry that Christians have driven people from Christ. I struggle with that anger. Mostly I’ve dealt with it by cutting myself off from the church, and hanging out with all the other former church-goers I know. But that doesn’t really lead me to face the anger. It just absolves me from dealing with it!

  2. Amen.
    There are many Christians who believe as you do, Jeremy. There are many churches which teach this very lesson of love. However, we have allowed others to be loud and hateful while we stood by. Christians – who believe that Jesus excludes no one, who believe in His radical heart for social justice, and who believe that love is the only Godly answer to the troubles of our society – are getting louder and more visible. (Finally!) But we have a LONG way to go, and may never drown out the hateful and spiritual violence of the others.
    Thank you for showing that child – and many, many others, I presume – that not all Christ-followers are alike. Bless you.

    • Jesus didn’t die on the cross for social justice. That is an error sir. You interject hate as a word; but that is not a valid point. Did Jesus hate when he told the man and woman who were caught in adultery to sin no more? Don’t mistake Godly rebuke for hate.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-11
      Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

      • 1) You are correct: Jesus didn’t die on the cross for social justice. He founded social justice. He died on the cross for our sins, giving no more weight to one sin than another.

        2) We don’t know what Jesus told the man who was caught in adultery, only the woman (who was the only one in danger of being stoned.)

        3) “Godly rebuke” can only be done by God – the rest of us can only hope and pray that we are doing the right thing. I think that when we throw scripture at one another like weapons, it does no service to our Lord. However, it may indeed serve our own ego. It certainly may discourage non-Christians to see such discourse.

        If you will excuse me now, I must tend to a bit of wood in my eye. Peace.

  3. Great thoughts here. I feel the same way. The only time the Christians are in the news is when they are putting someone down. I have a hard enough time walking my own walk without judging others. As for gays, how can we truly love a God who would hate people who are like they are because of their genetic makeup? I just don’t get it. My philosophy has always been, if you want to show someone Christ, be their friend. And it is always better to make your cave attractive enough so people want to come in than to hit them on the head and drag them in by the hair. Well done, sir.

  4. I couldn’t agree with you more Jeremy. The problem I see is that too many people “claim” to be Christians. Moving into this election season I saw the poll that 81% of people in America claimed to be Christians and that we were considered a Christian nation. My thoughts were really??

    Then I was reminded, when reading the book Crazy Love by Francis Chan, that the first church in Antioch was formed and they were “called” Christians. They did not refer to themselves as Christians like so many of us do today, instead OTHERS who saw them and bore witness to their life “called” the Christ-ians or Christians because they lived in such a way that it mirrored the teachings of Christ. After remembering this I ask myself can that be said of me today, just by the way I live or must I go around and inform others that I am a Christain or even further, do they have to ask rather than just by seeing my life.

    It’s very humbling for sure. I know I am a sinner and I know that I have done horrible things to myself and others in my life. I walked the road of addiction for a long time as well, but what I am eternally grateful for is the fact that thru Christ I have been able to live a life that is filled with great joy. I consider myself blessed to have received God’s grace and mercy. But all too often I feel like we, I, American Christians try and blend the American dream with Christianity and somehow think that we are doing all that God wants us to do.

    Sorry for the rant, but thank you Jeremy for claiming your alligence to Jesus Christ first and foremost and not allowing the term “Christian” to be the barrier that it has become to our lost world. Christ said, “they will know you are mine by your love”. Continued blessings for you and your family, and keep sharing the love.

    Tom

    • Tom, I do not believe you can talk only about the love of God when God has done everything for you and I already. We are debtors to him. How should we live?
      Titus 2:11-15
      For the grace of God hath appeared, bringing salvation to all men, 12 instructing us, to the intent that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present world; 13 looking for the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ; 14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify unto himself a people for his own possession, zealous of good works.
      15 These things speak and exhort and reprove with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

  5. I’m not a child and feel Very Strongly about most of the statements regarding “I’m a Christian!” I hear so much talk… And not enough of the Walk… People are Human yes, but don’t forget that they sometimes get caught up in the Grandiose Affair of it all and Forget that they’re influencing Humans!
    The talking that goes on about Going to Hell if you’re not Saved is totally Unfruitful. We speak of this Loving and Forgiving God… This Amazing Man who performs Miracles and Simply Loves All of Us is going to Damn some of us to Hell… I don’t believe that at all!
    If we are good people doing for others and not hurting them I believe we too shall be Heaven Bound!
    Another thing that bothers me is all the Hype about Sinners etc… Empower our youth by Power of Example not Examples of the Sinners themselves … For I feel we are all Sinners and no one is Perfect… It is something all of us Strive for its just whether or not We Are ALOnE!

    • Janie, it does not matter what you think is fair and right, only what God’s word says:

      1 Corinthians 6:9-11
      Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men, 10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 11 And such were some of you: but ye were washed, but ye were sanctified, but ye were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God.

  6. Matthew 10:32-38
    Every one therefore who shall confess me before men, him will I also confess before my Father who is in heaven. 33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father who is in heaven. 34 Think not that I came to send peace on the earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law: 36 and a man’s foes shall be they of his own household. 37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. 38 And he that doth not take his cross and follow after me, is not worthy of me.

    We should not be ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus Christ to anyone. We owe no one an apology for following the true and living God. Paul teaches that he became all things to reach the lost. In that I say amen. But we should not sell the Gospel for some acceptance from those caught up in living their life in open sin. Teach yes, compromise no; if they do not like the message after you try to reach them through carefull messaging, then plant your seed and move on. Never cast pearls before the swine.

    @Miss Beth…Christans don’t drive away people from Christ. It’s their love of this world and the appeal of it. The devil has his claws into people and it is up to Christians to shine the light on the message of Christ: pick up your cross and follow him. If one cannot do that then the word says they will fall into judgement.

  7. Being a follower of Christ means being part of His body. It means having “relatives” that you find embarrassing at times, but you still acknowledge them. We have to be careful not to see ourselves, alone, as the real Christians and separate and look down on those “others.” Beth says “saying anything about Jesus… damages my credibility.” We have to be more concerned with being acknowledged by Christ than by other people, and we have to be careful we aren’t rejecting the true Christ for our own “Christ” we find more acceptable — one who doesn’t say “Go and sin no more” or other things we find uncomfortable. When you cut yourself off from the church, you also cut yourself off from the Means of Grace that Christ has provided for us to keep us abiding in Him and strong against temptation and despair: the Holy Sacraments. Christ’s Love shows us our desperate need for Him and to recognize our deep sinfulness, and to trust in His forgiveness. It is not love that lets another go on sinning with your approval and watching them dig their way to hell without warning them or showing them the way to peace. Christians are not “haters” and we cannot accept that caricature. Rather it is the world who hates us because we will not ratify their ways as good so they call us haters. Yes. We hate sin. We hate that it has brought death and sickness and horror and starvation and pain and suffering into the world. We hate that it breaks lives and marriages and peace. We hate that good is called evil and evil is called good. We hate the lies people tell themselves and others. We hate the false gods that make false promises. We love the truth and the church and our Saviour and those He created and died to save (all mankind). And we know that His Gospel is a sharp two-edged sword. It stings but it heals, and dulling it so it doesn’t cut to the heart of the darkness in our souls, prevents it from opening them up to light and healing. The true Gospel is the preaching of the Cross (dying and rising again) not preaching glory (blessing without dying). Solus Christus, “in Christ alone” does not mean just you and Jesus. It means that there is salvation in no other and through no works of our own apart from Him. And to be in Him, we are bound also to the Christian church in heaven and on earth and through all time. There is no such thing as a solitary Christian. Christ’s body has many members and we cannot separate ourself from the body without dying, just as a hand cut off from your arm cannot live.

    • Amen! Agree with you 100%. Well said, it’s ashame the Gospel isn’t followed. Strange thing is if people don’t want to believe then they are entitled to their fate. But it sure seems folks on this blog want to shut people up who have a Biblical viewpoint. Thanks for your courage!

  8. People like Elvis are exactly what Jeremy was talking about. Thinking that their job on earth is to judge others. That happens to be one of the 10 commandments. Jeremy is a class guy. Love everyone and be there for your fellow man. I think if there is a god a lot of people who call themselves Christians will not be the people you meet in heaven.

    • Mr Shields: I thought there were two types of people in this world…the alien sinner and those in Christ. Yet you have identified a third class of people. A class of people who have no place in Christianity, those who speak on the matters required of us by the scripture. What piece of scripture have I twisted, taken out of context? I submit none but you have place some accusation about judging. Let me espouse:

      If you want to talk only about love then you have missed the other parts of the Gospel.

      Acts 20:27 For I shrank not from declaring unto you the whole counsel of God.

      The whole counsel is God’s declared truth. If you want to share only the love of Jesus and never teach repentance then what good are you? You might as well stay home on Sunday and watch football.

      Jesus talked to sinners, and he appealed to them, just like the rich man:

      16 And behold, one came to him and said, Teacher, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
      17 And he said unto him, Why askest thou me concerning that which is good? One there is who is good: but if thou wouldest enter into life, keep the commandments.
      18 He saith unto him, Which? And Jesus said, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
      19 Honor thy father and mother; and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
      20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I observed: what lack I yet?
      21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wouldest be perfect, go, sell that which thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.
      22 But when the young man heard the saying, he went away sorrowful; for he was one that had great possessions.

      In this great example we see Jesus showing some matter that needed attention in how the man valued/viewed material things.

      Or how about the woman caught in adultery? Jesus told her to sin no more. What would you do? Just show her love, or would you also show her the truth?

      If we who answer the call of the Gospel, what are we to do; the Bible says:

      Matt 28:18 And Jesus came to them and spake unto them, saying, All authority hath been given unto me in heaven and on earth.
      19 Go ye therefore, and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them into the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit:
      20 teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I commanded you: and lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.

      We must teach the world what God has declared in his Word to the lost. That does not mean it makes me perfect, or that I am perfect. I am a sinner trying to store treasure up in heaven by working in the vineyard for the Lord. Some how in your mind I am less of a Christian for declaring God’s truth, even as imperfect as I am. Teaching the Word is all of our work if you want to wear the name Christian.

      If you never stand up, show the light, then what good are you? The scripture warns us of what happens to Christians who have no savor:

      Matt 5:13 Ye are the salt of the earth: but if the salt have lost its savor, wherewith shall it be salted? it is thenceforth good for nothing, but to be cast out and trodden under foot of men.

      I will leave you with one last thought:
      I saw Mr Affeldt’s comment about being embarrassed. My aim was in the spirt of:

      2 Timothy 3:16
      Every scripture inspired of God is also profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for instruction which is in righteousness.

      I wanted to show him that we need to not be embarrassed how the world sees us. Our job is to teach and plant, God gives the increase. If someone rejects the truth then what would you have? Accept them as a brother or sister in Christ? That is not in accordance to the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      It seems folks here are more concerned about tactics, messaging and style of delivery of sharing ones faith. Yes, being kind should be natural to us in our teaching to the lost. Just because someone else says or does something foolishly, doesn’t change what we are to do. We will be judged by our words and our deeds and thus we should act accordingly.

      Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.

  9. Jeremy, I believe that you are saying this because you have a pastor’s heart for people. You are participating in God’s Action through the ministry of Jesus’ ongoing ministry in the world. You are living out the Gospel in the world which sometimes takes us to places that are messy but you do it because Jesus is already in those places. I know your heart. The Pharisee’s thought they had a “biblical viewpoint” and we know how that worked out… Keep on walking with Jesus.

  10. I completely agree with what you are saying. I’m proud of my beliefs and I try to be like Paul in Romans 1:16 where he says that he is not ashamed of the Gospel. I am not ashamed of it, but I am often ashamed of people that call themselves Christians and their life is no different than the athiests of the world.

    I work hard on my testimony to those around me. I pray that I love my co-workers, my students and my friends. I want my life to be something that others can wonder about and feel free to talk to me about.

    I do not believe that Christians are doing themselves enough to walk away from the Pharisees. Many are “too holy” i.e. judging everyone around them while trying to put themselves on a pedestal. Or “too worldly” i.e. trying to be like the world. In it AND of it. Neither is what Christ has called us to do and neither is the example that the apostles and Christ himself set for us.

    Or lives have to be one centered in humility, in love and in obedience.

    Though that is easier said than done.

  11. What! A trick question Jeremy? Churches organizationally? Maybe if those organizations only talk about following Jesus but so many talk about how they DO church. But we live in a world that even to say “I’m a follower of Jesus” can be misconstrued. I get where you’re coming from and like it but it’s so easy to turn the phrase “Followers of Jesus” into a denominational thing. I like the way you talk about him instead. Thanks.

  12. The comments on this blog entry are awesome. I appreciate every view point here. I wanna make a some things clear. I feel as Mr Milic might thinks that I am ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus. I am not in anyway ashamed of the Gospel of Jesus. I am sure Mr. Milic doesnt know me but one of the things that I am not is one to shy away from promoting the Gospel of Jesus. I am not perfect in any way but what I am ashamed of, is when I or other fellow christians dont live the Gospel of Jesus. I read a comment that Mr Milic says Jesus didnt die for social justice. I see the point you are making however the argument on that is in my opinion the biggest social injustice to mankind is that they dont know JESUS and what He stood for, died for, and resurrected for. I would also encourage you Mr Milic that i see why you are quoting verses as I believe in every verse you wrote down, to remember

    1 Peter 3:15: But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

    Your verses are good ones but you didnt really see the perspective that i had in this blog so they could be out of context with my blog. I see the comment by Peggy Lynn and its a good one. I do want you to know Peggy that I fully understand what Solus Christus means. In my blog i was actually trying to say that in my tattoo i wanted this young lady to know that Jesus alone is my savior no other. But we as people have classified our group as “Christians” i want to be known as a disciple of Christ and for the sake of argument a “Christian”. Solus Christus doesnt mean Christian it means no other savior but Jesus. And Jesus’ love is what I want to show people not Christian love because Christian love hasnt been all that consistent to Jesus’ love. If more of us Christians thought that way maybe, just maybe, we can start becoming the Aroma of Christ. I again am not perfect and have done my fair share of tanking it it regards to the reputation of Christianity. Thank you all for your perspectives and i really enjoyed reading them. You are all good people and I pray you feel the love of Jesus today and everyday. keep sharpening each other as I have been sharpened by all of you

    • Mr Affeldt:

      I understand what you are saying. However, I fear that if we hesitate to answer people with boldness about being a Christian because of the political correctness that has poisoned our ability to share the truth, we may demonstrate fear in our heart to not offend those who do not know the truth. We must confess Him before men, regardless of what others may think of us so that He will confess us to His Father. I am in agreement to how we deliver that message should be done as the scripture you shared:

      1 Peter 3:15: But in your hearts set apart Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect.

      We cannot deliver that message as if we are better then others, that is not what the Bible teaches us to do or act either. It is the Bible that teaches us, and not all are good teachers. Some misuse their knowledge to drive wedges and hurt the cause of Christ; but no one can say on that great day when the Lord comes that the reason I decided not to follow you was because of how one of your disciples treated me. That will not pass either.

      • Mr milic

        Thanks for your replies and your views. However I do feel that you have brought up the adulterous woman in which Jesus says to her to sin no more. But you neglect to mention that before he says that to her he asks where her accusers have gone. She says the have left and Jesus replies to her “neither do I accuse you”. The only man who could accuse. Remember you are quoting scriptures in English translation. I believe in original text He is letting the women know to sin no more in relation to the fact she has been given grace and forgiveness and to turn from her ways. Being that He had a trusting voice in her life after He defended her she felt capable and thankful. In the end those who don’t believe will be accountable. I agree the excuse because Christians didn’t treat me nice wont be an excuse but scripture does say to share the gospel in love. The gospel IS summed up as love your neighbor as yourself and love The Lord God with all your heart soul and mind. So as believers judgmental tones and aromas won’t work to allow people to see the greatness of our savior. In James you will see where it says those who CLAIM to be teachers will in fact be handled more harshly in heaven at the end. So I encourage all people who wanna teach the Gospel to be aware this. Jesus was accepted because he loved the people first, taught second, and exploited their sin last. Example: the women at the well.

  13. Jeremy, I just had to thank you for your insight and your words. I am NOT a Christian, I was raised Jewish and have always had such negative and hurtful associations with those that claim to live a “Christian” life. I grew up in a very conservative and religious “Christian” town and was ostracized from very early on for being different. I was told I was wrong, that I was a Christ killer, that I was going to hell. I could never understand how or why people would say that to me with such ease and abandon. I began to hide what my religion was out of shame. As a teen I questioned how a God or a religion could possibly hold me accountable for being born into something different then them. My friends told me I was a sinner, they brought me to church and tried to “save” me. I would come home crying to my parents that I felt like we were strange and too different.

    As I’ve grown into adulthood, in my 30’s, I have finally gotten to the point where I want religion to be a part of my life, part of my future. I want to know so much more about all of it. I have studied more and more about the core of what Christianity represents. I was so surprised to learn for instance, that Jesus really DID preach love. When I looked more closely at my Old Testament in the Torah, I saw that my religion was far more rigid about the “rules”. Far more “fire and brimstone” and far less forgiving then what Jesus seemed to represent. That was what set Jesus apart, wasn’t it? And yet, I feel I live more like a Christian (as a relatively agnostic Jew) then many “Christians” that I know. I am almost scared to see what type of responses this will elicit, just mentioning that I am Jewish in a Christian forum feels kind of scary…but my reasoning is to show my appreciation. So I hope that is okay.

    I apologize for the ramble, but your words truly triggered something deep within me. It can almost bring tears to my eyes to imagine that there is a version of Christianity that is truly beautiful. Thank you so much for sharing in a forum where all can benefit and learn. Thank you for showing me what being a real Christian can be about.

      • Jeremy thank you! I look forward to learning more and looking beyond those that give real Christians a bad name. Know that the message of love that is radiated here on your blog, is inspiring and beautiful to people of all faiths!

    • Dear Katiedid, I read your post several days ago and have been thinking of and praying for you ever since. I agree with Jeremy. God loves you, and indeed likes you. You are the apple of His eye! Nothing you do will ever make Him love you any more and nothing you do will ever make Him love you any less. And the Bible is the greatest love story ever told, except that it’s not just a story – it’s true! God created us, He loves us, and He wants us to be with Him forever, basking in His Glory with Him! He sent His only Son, Jesus, here to earth to make that possible for us. Jesus came to teach, to correct, to love, to forgive, and ultimately conquer sin and death on our behalf by dying on the cross and rising three days later. What really sets Jesus apart is that He is God, which qualified Him to do all of that. And what we as believers are called to do is believe in Him and accept all that He has done for us, and then live our lives selflessly, treating others with the love, patience, mercy and forgiveness and that He has already shown us. May God bless you, Katiedid, as you draw near to God and find Him drawing near to you.

      • Martha, I sincerely THANK you for your message. I am so happy to find more and more like you, like Jeremy, that continually spread a message of love for all. I wish more were like you 🙂

  14. I might be a little late to comment on this but i must say I find it really slick when Christians respond in the language that the blogger responded in. i would assume the blogger is or tries to be a good person to everyone he meets but explain to me how one can say they love people and love gays while maintaining a belief that gays are sick perverts who should burn in hell forever unless they apologize to an unchanged god who also happens to be Jesus who said that gays should be put to death but now just wants to thrown them in hell? Its low down and slick to pretend to like someone when at the same time believing terrible things about them . This doesn’t just apply to gays but to non believers. Just because someone doesn’t believe as you you believe they should burn.. Just having non beliefs means one should be tortured forever regardless of if they are a good person or not. So others are right to not distrust Christians. You believe so many low down things about people you know nothing about I’m not sure why people would willing trust you guys. If you would believe that people unlike u should suffer who knows what u guys would do…

    • Allen, you obviously seem angry. But I would think you would take some of your own advice here. You’ve never met me but you seem to think I hate. I’ve never said I hated anyone. Seems to me like you’re generalizing me with people you have run into and think I’m the same way. I actually have no hatred toward non believers or the gay community. Sorry you’ve been so hurt to cause you to be so angry at people who don’t completely think like you do.

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